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Per [[EAA-PHEV_Maillist:2006./7./5]] or [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/eaa-phev/message/333 Y!]
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''Per [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/eaa-phev/message/448 eaa-phev maillist 'Conversion instructions' message of 10/18/2006]''
  
 
Request for Show of Interest in Converting Prius to PHEV Instructions
 
Request for Show of Interest in Converting Prius to PHEV Instructions
  
Calcars, in collaboration with the EAA’s Eaa-Phev SIG,  intends to assemble and
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Please respond directly to [mailto:tdriscoll@calcars.org tdriscoll@calcars.org] by copying these questions into your message and adding your answer after each oneAny response is not a commitment to buy anything, or an order, but a way to help us make it easy for you by helping determine how far to go in having components made.
publish public domain instructions for converting a 2004-5<ref>The 2006 Prius’ multi-function display is incompatible with the current CAN-View electronics that is used in this conversion.  This limitation may be eliminated in the future.  If you are interested in converting a 2006 Prius, please let us know so we can asses this demand.</ref> into a PRIUS+
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We want to know from the converters the following:
plug-in hybrid.  The first versions of this conversion will use 20 BB Battery
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EVP20-12B1 AGM [[SEVA:Pb|PbA]] batteries <ref>BB Battery EVP20-12B1 AGM PbA batteries http://www.electricrider.com/batteries/specsheets/evp20-12.pdf</ref>, along with the
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:1. How definite are you about doing a conversion with our open source plans?
OEM hybrid battery, because of their cost and easy availabilityThey will
 
provide a 10+ mile pure electric range in EV-only mode (at up to 34 mph), or  
 
assist the ICE for the first 20+ miles of [[Mixed-mode]] driving at around double the
 
Prius’ normal mileage.  This battery pack costs about $800 and can be expected
 
to deliver 200-400 full (80% DOD) cycles. The added weight is around 300 lbs,
 
which existing conversions have been handling without upgraded springs.  We  
 
aren’t removing the OEM battery or changing the HSD system, but the spare tire
 
space will not be accessible.
 
  
A [[SEVA:Li|li-ion]] and/or [[SEVA:Ni|NiMH]] battery pack may become available within a year, probably
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:2. What is your timeframe?
capable of 20-25 EV-only miles, weighing 100-200 lb, lasting 2000-4000 cycles,
 
and selling for in the ballpark of $6000.  Such a pack should be retrofitable
 
into either version (below) of the conversion.
 
  
Two versions, both with similar performance and using Hybrid Interfaces’
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:3. What fabricated components or assemblies are you interested in buying, at the following estimated prices?
CAN-View device <ref>Hybrid Interfaces’ CAN-View device http://www.hybridinterfaces.ca</ref>, are anticipated:
 
* The first version is the cheapest, using contactors and a homemade wirewound power resistor for control of the current between the OEM and PHEV battery, and a Delta-Q <ref>Delta-Q charger http://www.delta-q.com/products/quiq.shtml</ref> overnight charger.
 
* In the second, more sophisticated, version, the Delta-Q charger is replaced with a high-power (PFC-40) charger from Manzanita Micro <ref>Manzanita Micro PFC-40 (40 Amps peek, 30 Amps continuous, input or output limit) charger http://manzanitamicro.com/chargers3.htm</ref>, which doubles as a DC:DC converter, used, in place of the resistor, to more carefully control current into and out of the PHEV battery while driving.
 
  
The total cost in materials (all commonly available), including batteries, is
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around $3,000 for the resistor/Delta-Q version or $4500 for the Manzanita Micro
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version.  The time for two skilled people to assemble and install it (not
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Estimated Fabrication Costs
including gathering parts) is probably at least 80 hours, though this is bound
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to decrease if and when kits become available with all parts included and some
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| Assembled and tested circuit board || $250-500
of the pieces pre-cut and drilled.  A printed circuit board is anticipated
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becoming available either for a modest donation to Calcars or from a third
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| Battery tray (4 needed) || $150-250
party.  That board is being designed to be usable with various battery packs
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and modifications. '''EXPERIENCE IN SAFELY WORKING WITH HIGH VOLTAGES IS MANDATORY.''' 
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| Battery box top || $150-200
If you do not have this experience yourself, hire an electrician.
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| Battery box foundation || $150-200
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| Electronics tray, assembled and wired || $500-1K
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| Set of pre-built battery cables || $150-200
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| Pre-built low-power wiring harness || $150-300
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| Total (including 4 trays) || $1950-2500
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These are estimates for the labor only; approximate components costs are at [http://www.eaa-phev.org/wiki/PriusPlus#Parts_availability PriusPlus#Parts_availability].
  
These changes '''will void Toyota’s warranty''' on affected components (no doubt the
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:4. Are you interested in becoming a fabricator and/or kit supplier?
OEM hybrid battery and battery management computer; anything else is debatable).
 
A modified Prius will operate as before the conversion when the PHEV battery
 
pack is depleted.  Slightly higher mileage than before is even possible despite
 
the extra weight, due to the decreased internal resistance and larger capacity
 
of the then-paralleled battery packs.
 
  
It will be valuable for us to learn how many DIYers actually intend to convert a
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This question applies to for-profit businesses (we know of one or two who may be interested) as well as to individuals.
Prius into a PRIUS+ using the plans we are currently working on.  Therefore,
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::a. Are you interested in fabricating subassemblies? If so, which ones?
please send me an email if you do intend to do so. Include answers to the
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::b. Are you interested in assembling components into full or partial kits?
following questions:
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::c. Would you be interested in organizing the orders?  We need a volunteer or for-profit business to organize this process of deciding what the interest is, what can be economically be built given that interest, who will do it; then how to commission, order, pay for, collect, store, and deliver the parts and subassemblies.
# Do you already have a 2004-5 Prius available to convert?
 
# If not, do you have or expect to get 2006 Prius that you would like to convert?
 
# If a conversion kit -- probably costing a little more than the retail parts costs but saving much parts-gathering and some assembly time -- becomes available, would you buy it?
 
# When do you plan to begin your conversion, once the plans or a kit is available?
 
# If an [[SEVA:Ni|NiMH]] or [[SEVA:Li|li-ion]] battery pack, as described above, were to become available, how much would you be willing to pay for it (in place of the $800 PbA pack)?
 
  
To respond<!--, PLEASE DO NOT USE YOUR “Reply” BUTTON OR LINK, which will direct
 
your response to the whole internet group!  Instead,--> please mail to:
 
[mailto:tdriscoll@calcars.org?subject=EAA-PHEV%20Conversion%20Interest&body=1.%20Do%20you%20already%20have%20a%202004-5%20Prius%20available%20to%20convert%3F%0A%0A%0A2.%20If%20not,%20do%20you%20have%20or%20expect%20to%20get%202006%20Prius%20that%0A%20%20%20you%20would%20like%20to%20convert%3F%0A%0A%0A3.%20If%20a%20conversion%20kit%20--%20probably%20costing%20a%20little%20more%0A%20%20%20than%20the%20retail%20parts%20costs%20but%20saving%20much%20parts-gathering%0A%20%20%20and%20some%20assembly%20time%20--%20becomes%20available,%20would%20you%20buy%20it%3F%0A%0A%0A4.%20When%20do%20you%20plan%20to%20begin%20your%20conversion,%20once%20the%0A%20%20%20plans%20or%20a%20kit%20is%20available%3F%0A%0A%0A5.%20If%20an%20NiMH%20or%20li-ion%20battery%20pack,%20as%20described%20above,%20were%0A%20%20%20to%20become%20available,%20how%20much%20would%20you%20be%20willing%20to%20pay%0A%20%20%20for%20it%20(in%20place%20of%20the%20%24800%20PbA%20pack)%3F%0A%0A tdriscoll@calcars.org].
 
  
 
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Revision as of 08:53, 9 October 2007

Please see the current state of documentation and questions at PriusPlus; and discussion at Talk:PriusPlus.


Per eaa-phev maillist 'Conversion instructions' message of 10/18/2006

Request for Show of Interest in Converting Prius to PHEV Instructions

Please respond directly to tdriscoll@calcars.org by copying these questions into your message and adding your answer after each one. Any response is not a commitment to buy anything, or an order, but a way to help us make it easy for you by helping determine how far to go in having components made. We want to know from the converters the following:

1. How definite are you about doing a conversion with our open source plans?
2. What is your timeframe?
3. What fabricated components or assemblies are you interested in buying, at the following estimated prices?

Estimated Fabrication Costs

Assembled and tested circuit board $250-500
Battery tray (4 needed) $150-250
Battery box top $150-200
Battery box foundation $150-200
Electronics tray, assembled and wired $500-1K
Set of pre-built battery cables $150-200
Pre-built low-power wiring harness $150-300
Total (including 4 trays) $1950-2500

These are estimates for the labor only; approximate components costs are at PriusPlus#Parts_availability.

4. Are you interested in becoming a fabricator and/or kit supplier?

This question applies to for-profit businesses (we know of one or two who may be interested) as well as to individuals.

a. Are you interested in fabricating subassemblies? If so, which ones?
b. Are you interested in assembling components into full or partial kits?
c. Would you be interested in organizing the orders? We need a volunteer or for-profit business to organize this process of deciding what the interest is, what can be economically be built given that interest, who will do it; then how to commission, order, pay for, collect, store, and deliver the parts and subassemblies.


References

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